Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/30/2002 01:36 PM Senate TRA

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            HB 474-ANCHORAGE COASTAL WILDLIFE REFUGE                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN COWDERY announced HB 474 to be up for consideration.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOE GREEN,  sponsor of HB 474, said  that HB 474 is                                                              
a protection  bill that deals with  a very unique  saltwater marsh                                                              
that in  1971 was called  the Potter  Point State Game  Refuge and                                                              
later  in 1988  was changed  to the  Anchorage  Fish and  Wildlife                                                              
Refuge.  He explained  that it is  a very  unique saltwater  marsh                                                              
that is  home for a  variety of  winged and four-legged  creatures                                                              
and  has a  very critical  portion  of its  habitat  right at  the                                                              
juncture of the southwest boundary  and the Refuge. For some time,                                                              
the Department  of Transportation  has been  looking at  extending                                                              
the existing  Tony Knowles Coastal  Trail up near the  airport for                                                              
about 12  miles diagonally  along the boundary  of the  Refuge and                                                              
private  property down  to the  Potter  Marsh. Unfortunately  that                                                              
trail that has been so predominant  for the last two-plus years is                                                              
right through  this very  critical habitat area.  This bill  is an                                                              
attempt to  try and protect  that area,  not to prevent  putting a                                                              
trail there.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GREEN  explained that  $2.2 million has  been spent                                                              
so far on this issue and there is  still no EIS. About three years                                                              
ago,  both bodies  passed legislation  requiring consideration  of                                                              
other trails.  That legislation  was vetoed  by the Governor  with                                                              
his assurance that consideration  would be given to the situation,                                                              
but that [consideration] has been  slip-shod. People who have been                                                              
trying  to protect  this area  came  up with  an alternative  gold                                                              
route that  has more exposure to  the Inlet than the  orange route                                                              
if vegetation could be cut.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
In January,  Chip Dennerlein,  Director,  Division of Habitat  and                                                              
Restoration, said ADF&G had been  working on this issue. He agreed                                                              
that the only draft  that was shown could not be  permitted and he                                                              
outlined several reasons why. Another  route was found, the fuscia                                                              
route, but Representative Green said  he hasn't been able to get a                                                              
copy of  it. He said that  is an example  of the kind  of problems                                                              
they had  been having all  along. He  suggested that as  this bill                                                              
moves, things will happen on the other end.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.   CHIP  DENNERLEIN,   Director,   Division   of  Habitat   and                                                              
Restoration, Alaska  Department of  Fish and Game  (ADF&G), agreed                                                              
with  some  of Representative  Green's  comments.  He  said  their                                                              
concern  was with  the specific  location  of the  trail and  that                                                              
there were  species that  were unique to  Anchorage and  shared by                                                              
other states.  One of  the highly sensitive  areas where  they did                                                              
not  want a  trial has  1,600 -  1,800  snow geese  grazing on  it                                                              
today. They  had a 6,500-people  heart run  this weekend  and they                                                              
wouldn't want to  propose a trail where those  kinds of activities                                                              
would happen. They worked out an  alignment that would be a viable                                                              
alternative that  would let people  enjoy wildlife but  avoid some                                                              
of the sensitive areas.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Currently the trail  is a federal highway project  that is subject                                                              
to  the  process  and  environmental  provisions  in  the  Federal                                                              
Highway  Act and NEPA.  The Federal  Highway Administration  (FHA)                                                              
has reviewed  all of  the information in  the alternative  and has                                                              
now  released the  sole  approved list  of  viable and  reasonable                                                              
alternatives that the public will  get to review. They will get to                                                              
choose one  of the alternatives or  mix and match among  them. The                                                              
orange route does not exist anymore, but the fuscia route does.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DENNERLEIN  said  pre-approval   of  a  right-of-way  by  the                                                              
legislature  would   be  problematic.   He  offered  to   let  the                                                              
legislature know of his decision.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked where the fuscia route went.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DENNERLEIN explained that the  fuscia route avoids going below                                                              
the bluff  between the [indisc.]  spill area and Johns  Park. It's                                                              
part of  the old Huffman  alignment. It  comes back through  Johns                                                              
Park  and through  the Furrow  Creek  Gully and  avoids the  rifle                                                              
range.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD asked if all the routes had property analyses.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DENNERLEIN  replied  yes and  said the problem  with the  gold                                                              
route  is that  it  would  have a  very  large impact  on  private                                                              
property.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD  asked if the section  from Johns Park to  Ocean View                                                              
Bluff takes any private property.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. DENNERLEIN  said that DNR  could better answer  that question,                                                              
but, in  the area he  was referring to,  there was  a right-of-way                                                              
that  avoids the  property. He  thought there  was a  right-of-way                                                              
acquisition and  that someone had  donated some land.  No property                                                              
is taken along Ocean View Dr., along the bluff or property.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WARD said he had lived in  that area a long time and asked                                                              
him if  he didn't think  this would cause  damage to  any wildlife                                                              
and where  he got his  information. He  asked what studies  he had                                                              
done to show that there is an affect on wildlife there.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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MR.  DENNERLEIN replied  those would  be from  nesting surveys,  a                                                              
1997  Survey of  Wildlife  Patterns, a  study  on the  use of  the                                                              
refuge by mammals  by Rick Sinnott, and a shorebird  and migratory                                                              
use report. He  said there are several critical  points around the                                                              
Campbell  Creek area.  He said  there was  no way  to put a  route                                                              
through the  area that  wouldn't have  serious adverse  impacts at                                                              
some point in the year.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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He said the only way to address the  area Representative Green was                                                              
concerned  about would  be to  move the  trail to  the top of  the                                                              
bluff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.   DENNIS   POSHARD,   Legislative   Liaison,   Department   of                                                              
Transportation   and  Public   Facilities   (DOTPF),  said   DOTPF                                                              
recognizes  the concerns of  Representative Green's  constituents,                                                              
but believes this bill is not necessary. He explained:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Number   one,  we're  already   following  a   federally                                                                   
     recognized  and  mandated  process,   the  federal  NEPA                                                                   
     process. And that process appears  to be working, albeit                                                                   
     a  contentious,  painful  process. I  think  that  we're                                                                   
     going to ultimately get to the right outcome.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Secondly,  this  area  has  already  been  designated  a                                                                   
     Refuge  by state  statute. That  Refuge  has a  specific                                                                   
     management  plan  in  place  and  ADF&G  is  responsibly                                                                   
     managing  that  refuge.  You've  heard  Chip  Dennerlein                                                                   
     mention that  he would not at all permit  certain routes                                                                   
     that were  being considered and  that in other  areas he                                                                   
     would be adamant  that mitigation occur before  he would                                                                   
     permit.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In response  to Senator  Taylor's question  on funding,  Anchorage                                                              
Metropolitan  Area  Transportation  Study  (AMATS) gets  about  $8                                                              
million every  year to go  towards trails specifically  within the                                                              
Anchorage metropolitan  area. They have every right  under federal                                                              
law to  determine how that  funding gets  spent. The state  has no                                                              
authority to tell them how it gets spent.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WARD  moved  HB  474 out  of  committee  with  individual                                                              
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON  objected saying that he  would vote no. He  said it                                                              
is a  tough issue for  him because he  feels like he's  taking the                                                              
conservative point  of view by saying  that he's going to  tip the                                                              
scales  in  favor  of  access and  away  from  habitat,  which  is                                                              
unusual. He  also suggested that  the legislature is not  the best                                                              
planning and zoning commission.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATORS WILKEN, WARD,  and COWDERY voted in favor;  SENATOR ELTON                                                              
voted against and HB 474 passed from committee.                                                                                 

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